[Jenkins-infra] Discussion about removing packages

[Andrew Bayer]

My instinct is also to reject this. Historically, I've only ever pulled
public-facing releases when there's something unbelievably catastrophic
wrong with them, not just for a bug like this.

A.

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 12:13 PM, R. Tyler Croy <tyler at monkeypox.org> wrote:

>
> There has been some discussion by users and some contributors about
> removing
> Jenkins 2.54 Debian packages which didn't properly specify a dependency on
> JRE8.
>
> Related to: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-1167
>
>
> I wanted to get more input from infra folks before any direction is taken.
>
> I'm strongly against this for the following reasons:
>
>  * This is a weekly release issue. We have not, to my recollection, ever
>    *pulled* a weekly release. LTS users will never be affected by this
> kind of
>    issue. Pulling a weekly release is a terrible precedent in my opinion,
> and
>    more work than I would ever want to support.
>
>  * I would argue that users affected by this issue are basically using
>    unsupported Jenkins versions anyways, as we do not support weekly
> releases
>    except for maybe "latest." When the LTS moves to Java 8, these users
>    will also then be running unsupported versions of Jenkins.
>
>  * Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is three years old, and is only receiving maintenance
>    updates anyways (https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life).
> While
>    unfortunate that this has affected some users, those using older LTSes
> and
>    weekly Jenkins releases are operating (IMHO) in an uncanny valley as
> far as
>    software stability goes.
>
>  * We have no automation or auditability for such a package removal. I
> don't
>    think we should either really.
>
>
> In the past, we never pulled other Jenkins versions which were broken from
> the
> start (think boot errors), and I don't think this issue merits changing
> that
> now.
>
>
> I am interested in other people's opinions, since I'm very biased against
> the
> weekly releases for "serious business" to begin with :)
>
>
> Cheers
> - R. Tyler Croy
>
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