[Jenkins-infra] Mailing List Migration/Move idea/notes

Olblak me at olblak.com
Mon Feb 10 20:24:57 UTC 2020


Hello,

As nobody raised on new input here, It's now time to say goodbye to our beloved 'jenkins-infra at lists.jenkins-ci.org' and say hello to jenkins-infra at googlegroups.com

So I invite every new post to be done on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/jenkins-infra ,please note that we changed the "new" google group from jenkinsci-infra to jenkins-infra, you don't have to do anything if you already registered.

For now, we keep 'jenkins-infra at lists.jenkins-ci.org' open, with a warning message for any new email send to that mailing list.

Cheers,


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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Olblak wrote:
> Sorry, I created the google group one as a placeholder, you should be able to see it
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/jenkinsci-infra
> 
> Meanwhile, I just want to have enough time for people to share their concerns here before we officially switch to google group or something else 
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> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Tim Jacomb wrote:
>> > What I suggest is to wait two weeks until the 10th of February to leave enough time to people to manifest on this mailing list 
>> 
>> What do you mean by manifest? Join the new list? I tried and got an error saying it doesn't exist
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>> 
>> On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 08:43, Olblak <me at olblak.com> wrote:
>>> __
>>> Hi Everybody, 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, again halkeye for starting this thread, you have no idea how annoying it is to triage spam content on this mailing list
>>> I think that we have quite an agreement here, everybody seems to prefer google groups, which has the benefits to be used everywhere else in the Jenkins project, and we also have to knowledge to manage it so let go for it. 
>>> 
>>> I created jenkinsci-infra <https://groups.google.com/d/forum/jenkinsci-infra> mailing list on google groups to secure the name.
>>> 
>>> What I suggest is to wait two weeks until the 10th of February to leave enough time to people to manifest on this mailing list 
>>> Then we invite people to join the new google groups, we update jenkins.io <https://jenkins.io/mailing-lists/> website, and then we switch this mailing list in read-only mode.
>>> 
>>> Any objections? 
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>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
>>>>> I don't think moving the archives are that important myself. Web.archive.org <http://web.archive.org/> will have them forever anyways
>>>> Thanks for the tip! I would be fine with such approach if we document it && if we keep the *.gz backup just in case 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 11:08 AM Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oh. I forgot in my notes. Oleg brought up archives. The mail man archives page has gz of all the past messages. So I can script and make a quick static site of all the old messages.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think moving the archives are that important myself. Web.archive.org <http://web.archive.org/> will have them forever anyways
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun., Jan. 26, 2020, 1:42 a.m. Tim Jacomb, <timjacomb1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This would be great to get done
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Preference for google groups, as the rest of the lists are on it
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 09:31, Arnaud Héritier <aheritier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> No real preference 
>>>>>>> I didn’t know groups.io
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le dim. 26 janv. 2020 à 09:46, Oleg Nenashev <o.v.nenashev at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>> Thanks to Gavin for starting this thread! I am +1 for moving out of mailman, the Infra channel is the only non-deprecated list there after JAM changes.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regarding the migration target, my preference would be to go with Google Groups, just because it is consistent with the rest of the project. Access from China is not a blocker, because folks from China cannot efficiently operate in the community without VPN. Access to devlist is critical.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No problem to try groups.io for something new, but IMHO Infra list is too important to be used for testing
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> BR, Oleg
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 06:20 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So the the idea of the migration of the infra mailing list got brought up a few times in the last couple weeks because my domain accidentally caused a bunch of people to get bounces, and I believe unsubscribed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The problem is due to the fact that mailman (current mailing list software) is a little dated, and tries to resend out emails on behalf of the user that sent them. This actually breaks SPF/DMARC which I have setup on my domain to prevent spam (I have it set that only a single server can send out emails with my domain).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, discussions were had about why infra was setup differently than all the other mailing lists. I've lost my irc logs by accident, so I'm going by memory. Please please give feedback, ideas, and point out what I assume is many mistakes.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> rtyler is in favor of getting off mailman. Slight preference for google since its known
>>>>>>>>> oleg is is in favor of getting off mailman
>>>>>>>>> gavin (halkeye) in favor of getting off mailman, slight preference for google
>>>>>>>>> olblack is in favor of getting off mailman, but doesn't want to use google groups
>>>>>>>>> alex (slide) is in favor of getting off mailman
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mailmain:
>>>>>>>>> * Has been around for a while
>>>>>>>>> * Can use custom domain (lists.jenkins-ci.org)
>>>>>>>>> * Breaks with spf/dmarc (though apparently there are configuration - https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC)
>>>>>>>>> * Hosted through OSUOSL
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Google Groups:
>>>>>>>>> * Possibly/probably breaks in china
>>>>>>>>> * Consistency with all the other lists
>>>>>>>>> ** Well known how to manage due to so many jenkins lists using it.
>>>>>>>>> * Has all the right headers/signing/etc
>>>>>>>>> * "Free" (like all things google)
>>>>>>>>> * Some pages old UI, some pages new UI (like lots of google projects)
>>>>>>>>> * Google calendar support
>>>>>>>>> * https://support.google.com/groups/answer/46601?hl=en
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Groups.io:
>>>>>>>>> * Modern platform
>>>>>>>>> * Not consistent with other jenkins mailing lists
>>>>>>>>> * Can be paid for/provided by CDF
>>>>>>>>> * Enterprise plan can do custom domain/branding
>>>>>>>>> * Has its own calendar
>>>>>>>>> * Olblak approved
>>>>>>>>> * Feature lists - https://groups.io/static/pricing
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