[Jenkins-infra] Mailing List Migration/Move idea/notes

Gavin halkeye at gmail.com
Sun Jan 26 05:20:27 UTC 2020


So the the idea of the migration of the infra mailing list got brought up a
few times in the last couple weeks because my domain accidentally caused a
bunch of people to get bounces, and I believe unsubscribed.

The problem is due to the fact that mailman (current mailing list software)
is a little dated, and tries to resend out emails on behalf of the user
that sent them. This actually breaks SPF/DMARC which I have setup on my
domain to prevent spam (I have it set that only a single server can send
out emails with my domain).

So, discussions were had about why infra was setup differently than all the
other mailing lists. I've lost my irc logs by accident, so I'm going by
memory. Please please give feedback, ideas, and point out what I assume is
many mistakes.

rtyler is in favor of getting off mailman. Slight preference for google
since its known
oleg is is in favor of getting off mailman
gavin (halkeye) in favor of getting off mailman, slight preference for
google
olblack is in favor of getting off mailman, but doesn't want to use google
groups
alex (slide) is in favor of getting off mailman

mailmain:
* Has been around for a while
* Can use custom domain (lists.jenkins-ci.org)
* Breaks with spf/dmarc (though apparently there are configuration -
https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC)
* Hosted through OSUOSL

Google Groups:
* Possibly/probably breaks in china
* Consistency with all the other lists
** Well known how to manage due to so many jenkins lists using it.
* Has all the right headers/signing/etc
* "Free" (like all things google)
* Some pages old UI, some pages new UI (like lots of google projects)
* Google calendar support
* https://support.google.com/groups/answer/46601?hl=en

Groups.io:
* Modern platform
* Not consistent with other jenkins mailing lists
* Can be paid for/provided by CDF
* Enterprise plan can do custom domain/branding
* Has its own calendar
* Olblak approved
* Feature lists - https://groups.io/static/pricing
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