[Jenkins-infra] Mailing List Migration/Move idea/notes

Arnaud Héritier aheritier at gmail.com
Sun Jan 26 09:30:59 UTC 2020


No real preference
I didn’t know groups.io


Le dim. 26 janv. 2020 à 09:46, Oleg Nenashev <o.v.nenashev at gmail.com> a
écrit :

> Thanks to Gavin for starting this thread! I am +1 for moving out of
> mailman, the Infra channel is the only non-deprecated list there after JAM
> changes.
>
> Regarding the migration target, my preference would be to go with Google
> Groups, just because it is consistent with the rest of the project. Access
> from China is not a blocker, because folks from China cannot efficiently
> operate in the community without VPN. Access to devlist is critical.
>
> No problem to try groups.io for something new, but IMHO Infra list is too
> important to be used for testing
>
> BR, Oleg
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 06:20 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> So the the idea of the migration of the infra mailing list got brought up
>> a few times in the last couple weeks because my domain accidentally caused
>> a bunch of people to get bounces, and I believe unsubscribed.
>>
>> The problem is due to the fact that mailman (current mailing list
>> software) is a little dated, and tries to resend out emails on behalf of
>> the user that sent them. This actually breaks SPF/DMARC which I have setup
>> on my domain to prevent spam (I have it set that only a single server can
>> send out emails with my domain).
>>
>> So, discussions were had about why infra was setup differently than all
>> the other mailing lists. I've lost my irc logs by accident, so I'm going by
>> memory. Please please give feedback, ideas, and point out what I assume is
>> many mistakes.
>>
>> rtyler is in favor of getting off mailman. Slight preference for google
>> since its known
>> oleg is is in favor of getting off mailman
>> gavin (halkeye) in favor of getting off mailman, slight preference for
>> google
>> olblack is in favor of getting off mailman, but doesn't want to use
>> google groups
>> alex (slide) is in favor of getting off mailman
>>
>> mailmain:
>> * Has been around for a while
>> * Can use custom domain (lists.jenkins-ci.org)
>> * Breaks with spf/dmarc (though apparently there are configuration -
>> https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC)
>> * Hosted through OSUOSL
>>
>> Google Groups:
>> * Possibly/probably breaks in china
>> * Consistency with all the other lists
>> ** Well known how to manage due to so many jenkins lists using it.
>> * Has all the right headers/signing/etc
>> * "Free" (like all things google)
>> * Some pages old UI, some pages new UI (like lots of google projects)
>> * Google calendar support
>> * https://support.google.com/groups/answer/46601?hl=en
>>
>> Groups.io:
>> * Modern platform
>> * Not consistent with other jenkins mailing lists
>> * Can be paid for/provided by CDF
>> * Enterprise plan can do custom domain/branding
>> * Has its own calendar
>> * Olblak approved
>> * Feature lists - https://groups.io/static/pricing
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